Wednesday, May 07, 2008

John Hagee = Not MY crazy uncle.

20 comments:

Christopher said...

And while we all shake our head that Pastor Wright believes that AIDS is a government conspiracy (and studies show that a sizeable percent of the Black community does too), those few of us who don't believe that Jesus Christ is a god who walked on water and raised the dead are considered the weird ones.

People who speak for god scare me.

Brandon said...

Well, if an omnipotent being exists, is there any reason he couldn't have become human, and remained omnipotitent?

Matt said...

HRC and McCain appear to label themselves Christians as a matter of political expediency, whereas Obama has an actual 20-year track record of membership at a particular church. Once he wins the democratic nomination, it will be amusing to see how liberals cope with having the Most Religious Candidate in the presidential race.

Chaz said...

Crackpots aren't an exclusive subgroup of religious folk. Sure, it helps, but there's definitely some straight-up crazy atheists and agnostics out there.

For myself, I prefer to keep in mind that everyone is crazy, and the important part is figuring out which ones have learned to cope with it.

LML said...

I'm UCC like Wright and Obama. Even I know that my uber-liberal religion doesn't belong in the White House.
If you want proof that UCC isn't ment to be mainstream, you need look no further then the e-mail list.
"The prophetic voice of the church"? Seriously?
~Luna

Anonymous said...

I think it should be liberal vs. conservative

modchen said...

man, i think Wright is h-ee-larious. i would totally go to his church if i lived in the area -- it would be the best comedy show ever. he cracks me up.

Benjamin Ady said...

It doesn't really work because Robertson et al. are *way* nuttier than Wright. They're ... scary nutty.

What are the ... physical consequences in the real world of the words of Wright? of the words of Robertson et al? These consequences do exist, and can be catalogued, to some extent.

prideandpetulance said...

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pwned

Anonymous said...

Love the (et al.) there.

Terrace Crawford said...

Wright has definitely made things interesting... and I appreciate your blog making my day more interesting. Neat stuff!

Navtej Kohli said...

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Bob said...

Less evil from Wright, but not less insanity.

http://www.blogfordemocracy.org/2008/04/wright_v_roberson.html

a secular libertarian said...

Matt, Matt, Matt,

What world are you living in? Between HRC, JM, and BO, it's Obama who has the shortest resume as a Christian and is most likely to be one only as a matter of political necessity.

Obama went to the Black church out of political expediency, he went to a church out of political necessity. Both because his birth race (half Black from Africa, not American slave stock) and religious upbringing (new age atheism, Islam, apathetic agnosticism) don't lend him instant credibility.

Obama, in all reality, is likely as much of an apathetic agnostic as he was in college. And for that matter, a good number of politicians on both sides of the isle are just like him. Christians in name only.

Atheism and agnosticism are far more prejudiced against in the political arena than are either race or gender.

Obama's only Christian credential is that church and that's not going to help him. He can't play the "I'm the Most Religious Candidate" game. In fact, to avoid Wright in the general election, he's going to have to walk the fine line between maintaining that he's a good Christian and that he didn't attend those sermons very often.

My guess is that this country will have a woman, Black, and perhaps even out Gay president long before we have a president who runs on an atheist platform. We've only had 1 Catholic, despite that religion's vast numbers, and he wasn't exactly devout.

The powers we give to the President are too similar to the value we place in our spiritual leaders to have the two of them not mirror each other. The sheeple want their Shepherd to have God's ear, if not some of his approval.

The fact that so many churches are so political (they really all should lose their tax exempt status) just supports this connection.

pauldwaite said...

> if an omnipotent being exists, is there any reason he couldn't have become human, and remained omnipotitent?

See, most sentences that start “if an omnipotent being exists” are a bit difficult to argue with. Difficult to disprove the existence of an omnipotent being, just like it’s difficult to disprove the existence of a purple hamster named Gerald who can make you live forever.

Christopher said...

Brandon,

The answer is within your question. To be omnipotent and immortal is the antithesis of being human.

To be both at the same time is ridiculous, especially if we are to believe that Christ once again ascended to heaven. What is the sacrifice there if you remain all powerful and can will yourself in and out of human existence at will?

Living a human life for 30 some odd years out of the billions that the "all powerful" has been in existence is a laugh riot, especially considering that the all powerful god wants worship from his imperfect creations and supposedly getting his son killed by some of them opens the gates of heaven for all the good little peons who give that worship?

I grew up Catholic, but I could never quite understand how Jesus' sacrifice was enough to pay for all the sins of man kind, or why all those sins even needed to be paid for by the same all powerful god who set the rules and made us in the first place.

How is it even possible that an omnipotent and immortal being can even sacrifice? If you're all powerful and immortal, how big of a deal is it that you experienced living once and got crucified? Plenty of real human beings, who don't know everything and certainly don't have any magical powers, get crucified and sacrifice everything.

To me, those sacrifices are more real and more important. And a lot of those people who die for a cause don't demand our worship, just our respect.

Jim said...

"And while we all shake our head that Pastor Wright believes that AIDS is a government conspiracy (and studies show that a sizeable percent of the Black community does too), those few of us who don't believe that Jesus Christ is a god who walked on water and raised the dead are considered the weird ones."

The only people that think people who dont believe in God are "weird" are people like Wright. (I do believe in God btw, I just dont consider people who dont as crazy or weird)

uncle stanley said...

Oy vey iz mir!

Anonymous said...

though i'm an agnostic leaning atheist, i know and love some religious smart liberals (like obama), and they're certainly not faking it, mr. "secular libertarian", whereas the grover norquists and dick cheneys and karl roves and newt gingriches of the world are 100% faking any religious concern.

it's clear that smart religious liberals are in it because they respect the valid ethical guidelines ("do unto others" and such), and they friggin' walk the walk. the difference between them and me is that they haven't seen anyone suffer unjustly. i mean effin' deeply unjustly, like wtf were you thinking "god." that's the difference between a liberal secular humanist like me and a smart liberal christian like obama.

the difference between liberal christians and conservative christians, on the other hand, is that conservative christians are either stupid (phelps, bush) or dishonest (gingrich). every danged time.

Anonymous said...

This should lighten things up,
What is the difference between John Hagee and most women?

He is gay, and has bigger boobs!

 
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