tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post2123961288685505290..comments2023-10-25T04:32:04.822-05:00Comments on indexed: Or just pray it doesn't happen to you.Jessica Hagyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17286747380227623649noreply@blogger.comBlogger131125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-76928655532274306932008-09-15T20:48:00.000-05:002008-09-15T20:48:00.000-05:00teens have sex.i know, i am one and i hang around ...teens have sex.<BR/>i know, i am one and i hang around with them.<BR/>no matter what you teach, they will have sex.<BR/>If my mother hadn't sat down and told me what a condom is, how it works, and why to use one, my girlfriend would probably be pregnant right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-72265903848710175662008-09-12T15:38:00.000-05:002008-09-12T15:38:00.000-05:00(P.S. that is not to take away from Jessica's grap...(P.S. that is not to take away from Jessica's graphical interpretation of the chatter... she always nails a concept graphically better than anyone I've ever seen...)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517126776289668558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-11052625961347816922008-09-12T15:36:00.000-05:002008-09-12T15:36:00.000-05:00OK, now you can all cease and desist:Palin has bee...OK, now you can all cease and desist:<BR/><BR/>Palin has been on record during her gubernatorial run in 2006 as saying, "I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something I would support also."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story" REL="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story</A><BR/><BR/>Y'all have ASSUMED that she was pro- 'abstinence-only', except it's only been the blogosphere (and a bunch of Left-leaning 'news' sites) that back up that assumption.<BR/><BR/>You have no way of knowing that the boyfriend wasn't really using a condom (you know, they do break sometimes, when the users are, well, VIGOROUS... :-)<BR/><BR/>You have no way of knowing whether Palin had a family rule that her kids were not to have access to condoms (though that seems silly considering her stance, above); yet you swear up and down that is what she 'must be doing' and that she would promote that thinking in schools, etc.<BR/><BR/>You have taken the fact that she is a Christian and has belonged to a 'weird' church to extrapolate that she must have a right-wing view that you have associated with ultra-right Christian Conservatives.<BR/><BR/>You are oh-so-willing to castigate this person and her family when you have no real idea what she said -- and when the truth comes out, you do not exercise the same vigor in clearing up the confusion YOU helped cause.<BR/><BR/>You can all go home now... nothing to see here.<BR/><BR/>I'm really impressed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517126776289668558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-71745874939676832162008-09-11T13:16:00.000-05:002008-09-11T13:16:00.000-05:00Reading a condom package requires knowing what a c...Reading a condom package requires knowing what a condom is, or what a penis and vagina do.<BR/><BR/>I hear in Kansas they teach stork theory. If you're taught that than why would you ever need to worry about condoms?Punchdrunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06483920435035124913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-55445272143506863492008-09-05T11:07:00.000-05:002008-09-05T11:07:00.000-05:00how hard is it to read a condom package, or read t...how hard is it to read a condom package, or read the instructions that come with birth control?<BR/>sadly the people who cant comprehend this extremely difficult task only continue to add keep pooring into the gene poolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-67101669314296328282008-09-04T20:24:00.000-05:002008-09-04T20:24:00.000-05:00Love it.Also, people, this is a correlation betwee...Love it.<BR/><BR/>Also, people, this is a correlation between shotgun weddings and sex ed. Even those who choose to wait until marriage may just marry quicker and earlier in order to get on with it!<BR/><BR/>P.S. Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed, and studies have proven that abstinence only education does not change the frequency of pre-marital sex, but it does increase the likelihood of pregnancy. Good sex-ed includes abstinence, but also birth control methods.<BR/><BR/>Love,<BR/>An Alaska<BR/>(Who didn't vote Palin for Gov, either)Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03525552880053251354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-88069078366273324622008-09-04T18:12:00.000-05:002008-09-04T18:12:00.000-05:00Just because you give someone a life jacket, doesn...Just because you give someone a life jacket, doesn't mean they're going to jump into the sea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-9721585347562707582008-09-04T15:25:00.000-05:002008-09-04T15:25:00.000-05:00"And the research backing this conclusion is where..."And the research backing this conclusion is where?"<BR/><BR/>It's in Bristol's uterus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-85591914391054180562008-09-04T03:13:00.000-05:002008-09-04T03:13:00.000-05:00Kids will not die if they don't have sex. It's oka...<I>Kids will not die if they don't have sex. It's okay and good for them to wait. Why is it that the vast majority of you think it's a right everyone should have? It's meant to bond a husband and wife and to make babies. Something no teen needs to be worrying about.</I><BR/><BR/>Kathy, do you even remember what you were like as a teen, or what other people were like? Teens are not *worrying* about having sex, they're trying as hard as they can to have it!<BR/><BR/>Abstinence is counter to Human nature, so if teens are going to find a way to have sex anyway, let's be a little pragmatic and teach them how to do it safely. It might not be what their parents want, but at least fewer girls will be left literally holding the baby after a brief fling with a boy they don't like any more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-33117432253357935942008-09-03T23:56:00.000-05:002008-09-03T23:56:00.000-05:00Sylvia responded to my previous comment about the ...<I>Sylvia responded to my previous comment about the pivotal points to ROE:<BR/><BR/>"Roe v Wade overturned abortion laws on the grounds that they violated the constitutional right to privacy (14th amendment)."</I><BR/><BR/>Partially true; but if you are attempting to say that this nullifies my earlier point, let me counter with an illustration:<BR/><BR/>The basis for an individual's rights in this country are that your privileges/freedoms/rights extend in all directions to infinity -- or until your actions, wants, or needs conflict or infringe upon the rights of others.<BR/><BR/>So let's say we live in a world in which the State has not defined an early unborn child as a person (which is exactly where we are). In that case, it is an issue of whether the State can tell a mother what to do with the 'thing' growing inside her -- that part of her person is hers alone to decide upon, the State has no business intervening or interfering.<BR/><BR/>IF, HOWEVER, the State ever decides to re-define an early-stage fetus as a 'person', then we have a problem. Because at that point, it is no longer a private matter -- the pregnant woman's rights extend only until her actions infringe upon the rights of the person inside her -- the other human being.<BR/><BR/>And yes, between receiving your comment, and making this reply, I did go back and re-read the entire position for ROE, just to be sure I was remembering it correctly. It's available quite easily to anyone who can Google.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/>OK, so now that I've alienated or pissed off almost everyone reading, let me say this (and really throw you for a loop): I am a hard-right Christian, and strongly against abortion. BUT I also believe that the government has no business intervening here (and most other places). So if ROE is ever overturned for the above reasons, I'm hoping that there will be other restraints by then to keep the government from sticking their nose in what is family, medical, and moral business. None of those areas are what government exists to manage.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps if abortion is not right for you and your conscience (as it wouldn't be for my family), your religious or moral convictions should be the only barriers necessary. Your mayor, governor, and president may or may not share your convictions -- and they cycle in and out much more regularly than your personal code of ethics. Even judges can vacillate with the winds of social mood swings.<BR/><BR/>So despite the shaky grounds it stands on, America needs ROE to stand for just a bit longer.<BR/><BR/>P.S.: I'm also against seafood, acid rock, and anyone who sings off key -- but the government has no more right to step in and outlaw them than I would have to shoot someone playing Hootie while eating takeout from Red Lobster.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517126776289668558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-20694225749090802102008-09-03T13:20:00.000-05:002008-09-03T13:20:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... *chokes* wow, that's.... s...<B>Anonymous said...</B><BR/><I><BR/> *chokes*<BR/><BR/> wow, that's.... scientific of you... a sample of one data points, know wonder this debate is so hot for going no where.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, ok, let's say it's a "particularly good example". We can be sure that Palin Jr has heard a lot in her childhood about the benefits and blessings of abstinence...<BR/><BR/>She's an human being, like every teen ! And they do not *always* do the choices the society or the parents would like them to.<BR/><BR/>So what's more important ? To be satisfied never to have talked about sex, condoms, STD, etc ? Or to keep teens from having one day to choose between abortion and almost forced mariage ?<BR/><BR/>Again, I agree that 14 is way to young to be sexualy active. Even 16. But let's be REALISTIC...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-34099003162474975732008-09-03T13:00:00.000-05:002008-09-03T13:00:00.000-05:00Response to MacBigot:Roe v Wade overturned abortio...Response to MacBigot:<BR/><BR/>Roe v Wade overturned abortion laws on the grounds that they violated the constitutional right to privacy (14th amendment).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-42175509303751649162008-09-03T11:50:00.000-05:002008-09-03T11:50:00.000-05:00The very fact that so many people want to teach an...The very fact that so many people want to teach any position at all in schools shows the lack of parental guidance in this country. Seriously, if you talk to your kids about either position, what do you care if they don't talk about sex in school. This is not the kind of thing that belongs in schools anyway. This is a purely moral issue. And, I don't mean just having a talk with your kids when they reach that age. I mean an ongoing discussion of the issue from the first time they ask you about it.<BR/><BR/>I say the schools should teach nothing and you should do more than just have "that talk" with your kids. I think that most "abstinence" families have no problem with the schools teaching nothing at all but, do have a problem with the government trying to force their children to adopt different morals than what they were raised with. I think most "safe-sex" parents probably feel a similar way.Josh Monroehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125854955082706767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-32639317822042794682008-09-03T10:00:00.000-05:002008-09-03T10:00:00.000-05:00it cuts off the url so last try:linkit cuts off the url so last try:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/335/7613/217" REL="nofollow">link</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-16007449651232321472008-09-03T09:59:00.000-05:002008-09-03T09:59:00.000-05:00http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/335/7613/21...http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/335/7613/217Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-10456190410575996912008-09-03T09:57:00.000-05:002008-09-03T09:57:00.000-05:00@anonymousScientific? Like you picking the comment...@anonymous<BR/>Scientific? Like you picking the comment that illustrates your point. How about the comment about the lowest teenage birthrate in the Netherlands/Switzerland/Korea which never ever had such a ridiculous Idea ass teaching abstinence only. And here some non anecdotal evidence for you:<BR/>http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/335/7613/217Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-36221430541911650522008-09-03T08:45:00.000-05:002008-09-03T08:45:00.000-05:00Palin's daughter "incident" is a living proof that...<I>Palin's daughter "incident" is a living proof that abstinence-only sex-ed is naive and leads to failure.</I><BR/><BR/>*chokes*<BR/><BR/>wow, that's.... scientific of you... a sample of one data points, know wonder this debate is so hot for going no where.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-62471139357439539972008-09-03T08:35:00.000-05:002008-09-03T08:35:00.000-05:00Tikabelle helped with: My guess is that people's c...Tikabelle helped with: <I>My guess is that people's claims of Palin teaching her children nothing but the penny-between-the-knees trick comes from 2 things:<BR/><BR/>1) Alaska teaches abstinence-only education<BR/>2) Palin supports #1.</I><BR/><BR/>-----<BR/>OK, I'll try to be more clear -- I'm having a hard time grasping that those teaching 'abstinence only' really DON'T COVER the issues of STDs, etc. and DON'T EVEN MENTION that contraceptives exist. I can easily believe that they don't recommend condoms as preferred options. But if I hear one more person in the 'educated media' parrot that Bristol had never heard of condoms because of some Nazi vendetta her mother has, I think I'll blow a head gasket. :-)<BR/><BR/>I come from an educated (BUT) Christian Conservative background, which preached abstinence (before it was called that socially/politically -- I'm old) but understood that contraceptives are a normal part of family planning (obviously, we are not Catholic). Perhaps the Left is confusing Catholics with Christians -- one does not necessarily mean the other.<BR/><BR/>My point is that the word 'abstinence' is a hot one that tends to throw debaters to extremes -- both ends of the spectrum completely unable to see the other's point of view.<BR/><BR/>To explain a bit of the background of the 'abstinence movement', you have to understand that increasing municipalities are removing parental choice from the education of their children -- and that is driving a wedge into the issue. The most worrisome example might be the <A HREF="http://macbigot.blogspot.com/2006/11/books-in-general-used-to-contain.html" REL="nofollow">'Little Black Book for Girlz'</A>; you see, if parents felt they the right to decide what their children are taught, they might not fight so hard against the school doing it for them -- but you can easily see how a book like that treads on controversial territory, and it has been distributed in school systems with no prior warning to the parents. It's no wonder Christian parents choose 'less education' over options like that.<BR/><BR/>The other problem, from the Christian families' perspective, is the age at which sexual subjects are brought into the classroom. Though we may talk quite frankly about homosexuality, 'alternate' forms of sexual activity, bestiality, and BDSM, there are elementary schools that are now introducing these topics to 2nd- and 3rd-graders. True, these may be exceptions -- but at what percentage will they no longer be considered 'exceptions'? And at what point does a parent raise all holy hell to put a stop to it in their own school system -- since from accounts over the last ten years, parents only find out about it the day after their children have been 'educated'?<BR/><BR/>I know none of this is going to convince you if your mind is already made up; but I hoped to provide a glimmer of why some Christian parents are mustering the troops on this issue -- there may have been some room for negotiation before; but when the 9th circuit court in CA decided to rule that parents have absolutely no say over what their children are taught in school, and that school boards are not required in any way to provide parents with details beyond an annual syllabus, there's a war brewing.<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/>One other commenter brought up their incredulity at my comment suggesting that Bristol didn't 'accidentally' get pregnant -- yes, girls do sometimes do this on purpose (don't you get 'Dr. Phil' in your area?).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517126776289668558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-80960008655958204542008-09-03T08:00:00.000-05:002008-09-03T08:00:00.000-05:00Yow. Touched a nerve, have we?Yow. Touched a nerve, have we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-51305357776355230812008-09-03T03:50:00.000-05:002008-09-03T03:50:00.000-05:00Palin's daughter "incident" is a living proof that...Palin's daughter "incident" is a living proof that abstinence-only sex-ed is naive and leads to failure.<BR/><BR/>In a certain way, it's as naive as communism : being persuaded that it's sufficient to motivate people to make them think and act as you wish them tooo.<BR/><BR/>It's as stupid as thinking that death penality prevents crime... Just look at the stats and the facts !<BR/><BR/>Be realistic ! Bad thoughts come from INSIDE, not from outside... Taboos never helped fix any situation... <BR/><BR/>And if you don't talk to kids about sex, where will they find information ? Internet... porn movies they share on they mobile phones... This IS reality, even if parents don't like these ideas.<BR/><BR/>So... Teens NEED to be informed, in a factual and objective way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-51336920042821490662008-09-02T23:37:00.000-05:002008-09-02T23:37:00.000-05:00Its possible that, despite the inconvenience to he...<I>Its possible that, despite the inconvenience to her mother, that the pregnancy was wanted, or, even, planned.</I><BR/><BR/>You cannot SERIOUSLY believe an unwed high school girl PLANNED FOR a pregnancy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-42412697820095589242008-09-02T23:35:00.000-05:002008-09-02T23:35:00.000-05:00http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7593735.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7593735.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-8555239572368383142008-09-02T23:29:00.000-05:002008-09-02T23:29:00.000-05:00@macbigotMy guess is that people's claims of Palin...@macbigot<BR/><BR/>My guess is that people's claims of Palin teaching her children nothing but the penny-between-the-knees trick comes from 2 things:<BR/><BR/>1) Alaska teaches abstinence-only education <BR/>2) Palin supports #1.<BR/><BR/>Now, I'm extrapolating and don't have a URL, but NPR has been talking about this issue a lot today and I'm sure they have some info on it. Also for the record, I went to high school in Alaska 10 years ago and I was definitely taught to put a condom on a banana, so I don't know when the eff things went so downhill. Sigh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-2985662818387838492008-09-02T23:25:00.000-05:002008-09-02T23:25:00.000-05:00Before the 1800's, Americans were regularly pregna...Before the 1800's, Americans were regularly pregnant before getting married. Betrothal was considered good enough to start boning, and I'm fairly certain many a betrothal was post-hymen anyway - although that would be harder to prove. Throwing Victorian sensibilities in our faces like it's always been this way is ill researched, disingenuous and ignorant. <BR/><BR/>Telling me that teaching kids about sex is tantamount to teaching kids to have sex is never, ever going to make me see anything but red. I can think of no situation in which well thought-out, well-researched education is a bad thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362118.post-4625628651697053742008-09-02T21:04:00.000-05:002008-09-02T21:04:00.000-05:00PRW noted: Excuse me, but every one here seems to ...PRW noted: <I>Excuse me, but every one here seems to assume that this pregnancy IS unwanted. Its possible that, despite the inconvenience to her mother, that the pregnancy was wanted, or, even, planned.</I><BR/><BR/>Wow. You're right -- we armchair quarterbacks have been chugging along, thinking we know enough to decide this FOR the Palin family... well said, PRW.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517126776289668558noreply@blogger.com